Wednesday, July 23, 2025

Beyond the Page Podcast ~Addressing Systemic Barriers

We are excited to share with you the next interview in our “Beyond the Page” series featuring Dr. Pamela Larde.

What happens when systemic barriers persist in an industry built on personal growth and transformation? Dr. Pamela Larde pulls back the curtain on coaching’s diversity challenges and shares a groundbreaking approach to creating change.

The coaching profession prides itself on fostering human potential, yet faces the same diversity and inclusion hurdles as many industries. Dr. Larde, creator of the first ICF-accredited Black-owned coach training school and director at the Institute of Coaching, shares findings from the pioneering Horizons program that’s reimagining coach education through an equity lens.

One powerful revelation centers on “racialized emotional labor” – the invisible psychological burden carried by people of color navigating predominantly white spaces. This concept, rooted in research on how racial stress creates physical health challenges, illuminates why traditional coaching programs may unintentionally tax diverse participants. The most surprising discovery? Students wanted more diversity content integrated throughout their training, not less.

Despite growing backlash against DEI initiatives in the United States, Dr. Larde observes coaching organizations largely maintaining their commitment to inclusion, though with strategic adaptations. For prospective coach trainees seeking inclusive environments, she recommends examining a school’s stated values, faculty diversity, and student testimonials about psychological safety. “Schools for which this is a value say it out loud – you don’t have to dig very hard to find it.”

The conversation explores innovative approaches like reverse mentoring, where newer coaches share fresh perspectives with seasoned practitioners. Dr. Larde, who researches both joy and justice, embodies how these seemingly opposite focuses intersect in powerful ways.

Whether you’re a coach trainer, practicing coach, or considering coach certification, this episode offers crucial insights on creating truly inclusive coaching spaces. Connect with Dr. Larde through the Academy of Creative Coaching or on LinkedIn to continue the conversation about transforming the coaching profession.

In this episode, I talk with Pamela about their article published in our June 2025 issue.

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